Hacked into the epileptics’ site and purposefully planted flashing bright light images, knowing their actions would cause seizures. One woman reported they were her worst epileptic seizures ever.

Hacked into FoxNews when that network criticized them for being Internet thugs and criminals. (Now, don’t be upset Anony-wonnie, you say you believe in truth, right?)

Started the whole mess by breaking into the scientologists’ Web site, taking it off line for days. Problem is they also took down the church’s public-service sites that offer drug addiction prevention services, tutoring & the like. Maybe anon’s meds were wearing off?

And they followed that up by a day or two of death threats orchestrated to come into the church by fax, phone and email and jam its communications mechanisms.

They are sick little kids, and a few brain-nuked adults, whose attitude for other people’s rights exactly matches any garden-variety criminal’s attitudes.

But then it also matches that of an unsocialized two-year-old.

We do not align ourselves with you or christianity to take down scientology for the same reason we do not team with them to take down you. One, we do not need help; Anonymous only needs Anonymous. Two, while you may believe you to be better than the other, you are equally guilty in the eyes of Anonymous. Third, unlike you, Anonymous holds no prejudices in the fact that we hold all prejudice. We do not pick favorites and the internet hate machine breaks for no one. Except maybe Rick Astley.

This is not over; trust these words.

and expect us.

All three examples you cite in #24 above are bogus. You have fallen victim to anti-Scientology hate-sites’ lies and fact-free accusations.

MICHAEL PATTINSON’s ridiculous case against the Church was tossed out (or voluntarily withdrawn) *six* times times. Judges scolded Pattinson’s attorney for being a “vexatious litigant” and threatened him with legal sanctions. The *California* *Bar* brought charges against that same attorney and he agreed to have his own law license revoked for 9 months.

LISA McPHERSON’s final case was settled with the payment of a nuisance amount to Lisa’s *estranged* aunt–who hadn’t spoken to her for years–but did wriggle out of the woodwork to sue the Church.

RON HUBBARD’S TRUST?:
And whatever imaginary case “trust established by L. Ron Hubbard” refers to, I can’t find any evidence of it anywhere–except on an anti-Scientology hate-site. They cite no evidence: no date, court name, plaintiff, attorney names; nor the name of alleged trust.

Probably they are purposefully vague because it was an imaginary story, or such a stretch they didn’t dare specify exact records.

Please let me know any future concerns.

2) The anonhouston post resolution will go as far as a 400-pound shotput. _I_ can argue down all its positions, and I’m no lawyer. It’s a really lame attempt by some politico who has been ill-informed by hate-mongers. Actually, such thoroughly fail-doopmed attempts help us over all. God that was pathetid. I’m almost sorry you posted it; it’s that vapid.

3) Thank you! I think I’ve finally got you arguing like a rational person! (See your post #24 above.) (Well, except for your backsliding on that last explosive post, #27.)

But you have at last provided me some (allegedly) present-time examples from a country (USA) whose judicial system I trust a leeeeeetle more than those decades-old Reichstag/SS-type/wig-wearing regimes you were quoting earlier.

You’re making great strides toward rational discourse.

Let me check those out and get back to you. (Geez, FINALLY.)

5) And, BTW, the rest of your generalities and “I hate people who…” statements don’t apply to me or any other Scientologist that *I would hang out with. Yes, that would be distasteful.

To agree with you, here is point 7 from “The Creed of the Church of Scientology”:

“That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others”

That ain’t so terrible,is it?

ttfn!

Oh, playing the “manners” card, I see. Wow, you should try googling for something called the style over substance fallacy.

“No site could more perfectly clarify why you hate two religions that reach out into the world to help and upgrade its people.”

Baseless assumption/accusation. Who would?Ǭ¥ve thought it… Your “arguments” become more and more pathetic. I?Ǭ¥m not hating any religion. What I hate are self-righteous braggers that think they know all the answers and act as if anyone not thinking their way is somehow deranged. Which is pretty much the attitude of *any* religious extremist zealot.

What I also hate are ignorant morons that are too blinded by their own believes to question them at all. Asking questions is what brought us out of the Dark Ages and anyone actively wanting to stop doing it really only deserves mockery and a scoffing.

PS: I also can?Ǭ¥t stand partisan argument makers that don?Ǭ¥t answer their opponents points with any hard facts but instead spout some randon propaganda or even ignore them.

The German Guy
IMPEACH BUSH!

By your every sentence, your sociopathic hatreds, and your puerile word choice, you encapsulate and epitomize all that is, and all who are, obsessively anti-Christian or anti-Scientology.

No site could more perfectly clarify why you hate two religions that reach out into the world to help and upgrade its people.

GO, TEXAS, GO!
http://www.anonhouston.com/wiki/Image:Resolutionsmall.jpg

And why exactly should I only use USA-based examples? BEcause that?Ǭ¥d fit you better? And nice play on an absolutely outdated clich?ɬ© here.

Okay, here I go just for the pending stuff:

Trial pending: USA: Fraud
A trust established by L. Ron Hubbard is one of several parties sued by attorneys seeking to recover funds; several of the suits allege fraud.

Trial pending: USA: Fraud, false imprisonment, assault, extortion, kidnapping, defamation, invasion of privacy, infliction of emotional distress, and racketeering
Michael Pattinson is suing Scientology for several counts of fraud and a variety of other extremely serious charges. The suit garnered some national press (including stories in the Guide and Fab! and at MSNBC ) because it names John Travolta, alleging that Scientology claimed they could “cure” Pattinson’s homosexuality and used Travolta as an example of a homosexual whose orientation they had changed.

Trial pending: USA: Lisa McPherson – Wrongful Death, Practicing Medicine Without a License, Torture, more
The state of Florida has decided not to prosecute the two felony charges of unauthorized practice of medicine and abuse and/or neglect of a disabled adult in the case of Lisa McPherson, who died in Scientology’s custody on December 5, 1995. However, a civil suit has been filed by her estate, alleging wrongful death, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment, fraud, battery, negligence, and practicing medicine without a license.

Other people have also reported fraud, the unauthorized practice of medicine, and false imprisonment.

PS: I don?Ǭ¥t dislike the USA in any way. I do dislike the attitude of some americans, but I?Ǭ¥m quite able to distinguish them from the whole country.

“I always like sparring with quick people but your problem is that you just don?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t use facts. You use arm-waving, foot-stomping and repeated, redundant, repetitive repetition ;>) [sorry, couldn?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t resist that!] in an untenable effort to make un-makeable points. ”

*SIgh* If you weren?Ǭ¥t a very active case of ferrus cranus, you?Ǭ¥d have perhaps made your own search, too. But then, I?Ǭ¥m talking to a Scientologist here, I?Ǭ¥d be very surprised if one would try to find out bad facts about the organisation by himself.

The German Guy
IMPEACH BUSH!

Geeez, PG, all you do is repeat your fact-deprived charges without citing _*MODERN*_ _*USA-BASED*_ examples. And if you dislike the USA so much, the Fatherland will still welcome your bigotry with warm, stiff-arm salutes.

Show me some modern, USA-based examples of any _*illegalities*_–even one!–and we can have another go at a rational conversation.

I always like sparring with quick people but your problem is that you just don’t use facts. You use arm-waving, foot-stomping and repeated, redundant, repetitive repetition ;>) [sorry, couldn't resist that!] in an untenable effort to make un-makeable points.

Till then, your assignment is to write 1000 words on how the astute student would differentiate fact from accusation.

Big hugs! I know you can do better.

Those emotions are unfortunately rightly grounded in experiences some people I can honestly call friends as well as myself have had. Simply put, I watched Scientology?Ǭ¥s modus operandi live and in color, with my own two eyes.

“I know you can?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t live the rest of your business and personal life confusing anyone?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s wild negative accusation with fact, echoing hate-speech as if it were reality and?¢‚Ǩ‚Äúmost of all?¢‚Ǩ‚Äúaccusing people in your life and business without any evidence. I just know you don?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t really live like that.”

Says the one that presented a video chock full of cheaply produced slanderous accussations without any evidence backing up most of it…..

“I PROMISE YOU if I, or any Scientologist, learned that any of that junk were true, it would be our duty (and our quiet pleasure) to report the guilty party?¢‚Ǩ‚Äúto include FACTS WE KNEW OR SAW FIRST-HAND?¢‚Ǩ‚Äúand get them straightened out in accordance with a prime Church directive, ?¢‚Ǩ?ìDON?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.?¢‚Ǩ¬ù”

Yeah, riiiiight. Your “church” has broken that commitment so often, one should add “as long as you?Ǭ¥re not caught.”

“Scientologists aren?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t magically perfect the day they start their first class: it?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s a gradual striving toward self-improvement. So obviously it?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s possible some Scientologist somewhere is doing something wrong. Perhaps you?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢ve noticed that occurring on other religions, too. BUT the clean-up mechanisms are there to keep anyone who goes outside the law on the straight and narrow, per that datum above about obeying the laws of the land.”

The problem is that the constant harrassment of ex-members, critics and the like as well as the host of completely unfounded lawsuits aimed at silencing any opposition are far too well organised to be the work of a few stragglers.

“IF there were one shred of fact supporting those foundationless allegations that you type in, don?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t you think one of the victims would have gone to the feds and gotten an investigation started? ”

I did post quite a list of ongoing investigations, or such that already brought something rotten up just a few posts ago…talk about baseless.

“Do you think we would have gotten our full and complete tax exemption? Don?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t you think the USA?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s ravenous IRS would have jumped down our throat on ANY imperfection it could find to justify getting a share of our donations?”

Lobbying and expensive lawyers. It?Ǭ¥s a shame that one can come so far with those tools in today?Ǭ¥s USA.

“Sir, you are obviously intelligent in various other arenas, but you are not directing your analytical ?¢‚Ǩ?ìsmarts?¢‚Ǩ¬ù at THIS matter.”

No, I?Ǭ¥m simply refusing to miss all the damning evidence that you as an indoctrinated Scientologist have been told to ignore.

“No evidence means no victims, means no untoward practices, means that the accusations are without evidence, and are just angry people. ”

Again, too bad that there has been both evidence as well as accusations I can personaly testify to be as accurrate as it can get.

“The proelem does not lie within Scientology or its management. It lies within the psyches of those who must attack something. If there were no Scientology, these people would be attacking Jews or Muslims or blacks or Bush or Obama or Hillary or Catholics or someone else. ”

And this is just making excuses. It?Ǭ¥s the Co$ after all that?Ǭ¥s suing anyone even daring to say a single bad word about them, actively harrassing people and generally acting in a way that can positively be compared to the way quite a few tyrrannies treated their PR.

The German Guy
INMPEACH BUSH!

I know you can’t live the rest of your business and personal life confusing anyone?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s wild negative accusation with fact, echoing hate-speech as if it were reality and–most of all–accusing people in your life and business without any evidence. I just know you don?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t really live like that.

I PROMISE YOU if I, or any Scientologist, learned that any of that junk were true, it would be our duty (and our quiet pleasure) to report the guilty party–to include FACTS WE KNEW OR SAW FIRST-HAND–and get them straightened out in accordance with a prime Church directive, “DON’T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.”

In fact, when one exec was found to be dishonest?¢‚Ǩ‚Äùback in the early 1980?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s?¢‚Ǩ‚Äùa short publication came out commending the person who had first noticed and reported him.

Scientologists aren’t magically perfect the day they start their first class: it’s a gradual striving toward self-improvement. So obviously it’s possible some Scientologist somewhere is doing something wrong. Perhaps you?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢ve noticed that occurring on other religions, too. BUT the clean-up mechanisms are there to keep anyone who goes outside the law on the straight and narrow, per that datum above about obeying the laws of the land.

IF there were one shred of fact supporting those foundationless allegations that you type in, don’t you think one of the victims would have gone to the feds and gotten an investigation started?

Do you think we would have gotten our full and complete tax exemption? Don’t you think the USA’s ravenous IRS would have jumped down our throat on ANY imperfection it could find to justify getting a share of our donations?

Sir, you are obviously intelligent in various other arenas, but you are not directing your analytical “smarts” at THIS matter.

No evidence means no victims, means no untoward practices, means that the accusations are without evidence, and are just angry people.

The proelem does not lie within Scientology or its management. It lies within the psyches of those who must attack something. If there were no Scientology, these people would be attacking Jews or Muslims or blacks or Bush or Obama or Hillary or Catholics or someone else.

It?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s just that simple.

And cutting down on anon?Ǭ¥s message as to completely rip parts out of context isn?Ǭ¥t any better, especially as anyone can find the full message at youtube.

Faking the phone calls and especially the faxes is even worse. The majority of anon has a bit more creativity than THAT.

And then that “exposing vid” brings up the fake message, which has allegedly not been from Anonymous in the first place, but from some idiot trying to seize the moment. The differrent GlaDOS is a dead giveaway of a bad copy.

Then the anthrax thing. Now really, does anyone believe such utterly idiotic claims?

And then the next bomb threat: Another GlaDOS, thus fake. Especially as Anonymous doesn?Ǭ¥t refer to Scientology as a religion AT ALL. Neither do most of it?Ǭ¥s other enemies either. This alone pretty much indicates the Nitro-threat to be actually MANUFACTURED by the Co$ itself in an attempt of pure and utter slander. This alone pretty much destroys any shred of credibility the video might have had beforehand.

And the rest of the video just continues with the same kind of ridiculous propaganda attempting to slander Anonymous. Here?Ǭ¥s a catch: Even if they were as bad as described in that piece of shit, htey?Ǭ¥d STILL be right about Scientology. CASE CLOSED!

Someone should also care reading Operation Chanology?Ǭ¥s manifest, especially the part where they point out that they are fighting the Co$?Ǭ¥s organisation and not the religion per se.

So stick that religious persecution card up your ***, it doesn?Ǭ¥t do you any good here, junior.

It seems the Co$ is still clueless about the kind of enemy they just made themselves. Anonymous can?Ǭ¥t be threatened, can?Ǭ¥t be sued, can?Ǭ¥t be harrassed. And thus, all measures Scientology takes to silence it?Ǭ¥s critics are completely and totally worthless against anon. Such it down, you?Ǭ¥re loosing this.

The German Guy
IMPEACH BUSH!