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		<title>By: Izeum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izeum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This right here is beyond incorrect, there is something seriously wrong with people who actually believe/agree with this. If any one posses a danger to other people and society as a whole it is people like you. Also if you read the bible Christ wasn&#039;t born on christmas....... Christians just decided to place it on the 25 because there were pre- existing holiday&#039;s on that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This right here is beyond incorrect, there is something seriously wrong with people who actually believe/agree with this. If any one posses a danger to other people and society as a whole it is people like you. Also if you read the bible Christ wasn&#8217;t born on christmas&#8230;&#8230;. Christians just decided to place it on the 25 because there were pre- existing holiday&#8217;s on that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Kayla.</description>
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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you fucking kidding me? You&#039;re blaming a Tim Burton movie along with all this other bullshit for kids changing the way they look? Really? No wonder I&#039;m losing faith in humanity. I&#039;m what you call &quot;goth&quot; and this gothic stereotypes you&#039;re going at. Hate to break it to you sweetie but it&#039;s fucking stupid. I&#039;m expressing myself and yes it&#039;s with dark clothes and rock music. Just like those other &quot;satanist&quot; kids. Also about those bands.. Slipknot sucks expect for Snuff and Psychosocial. I fucking love MARILYN Manson and those other bands...never heard of them till now. Maybe I&#039;ll use them to turn my friends goth! XD One last thing &quot;God&quot; wants you to &quot;love thy neighbor&quot; I&#039;m pretty sure hating on people for being different isn&#039;t loving. So ends my rant! Have a nice goddamn day! ;D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you fucking kidding me? You&#8217;re blaming a Tim Burton movie along with all this other bullshit for kids changing the way they look? Really? No wonder I&#8217;m losing faith in humanity. I&#8217;m what you call &#8220;goth&#8221; and this gothic stereotypes you&#8217;re going at. Hate to break it to you sweetie but it&#8217;s fucking stupid. I&#8217;m expressing myself and yes it&#8217;s with dark clothes and rock music. Just like those other &#8220;satanist&#8221; kids. Also about those bands.. Slipknot sucks expect for Snuff and Psychosocial. I fucking love MARILYN Manson and those other bands&#8230;never heard of them till now. Maybe I&#8217;ll use them to turn my friends goth! XD One last thing &#8220;God&#8221; wants you to &#8220;love thy neighbor&#8221; I&#8217;m pretty sure hating on people for being different isn&#8217;t loving. So ends my rant! Have a nice goddamn day! ;D</p>
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		<title>By: Skylar Sin</title>
		<link>http://ShelleyTheRepublican.com/2006/07/10/culture-wars-the-goths.aspx/comment-page-5#comment-99328618</link>
		<dc:creator>Skylar Sin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a kindergoth and quite a Mansonite (i love Marilyn Manson), and so far, i&#039;m not shunned in society.
I have MANY friends, even on facebook i have over 1000.
I don&#039;t work in comic stores- i don&#039;t particularly like &#039;nerds&#039; and i don&#039;t participate in sexual jobs like pole dancing.
I work as an online model and i love it!
Christians are all sucking up to a fake lord, i hope you realise that once you die, you will be in limbo.
Before you were born (before the UNIVERSE was created) - where were you? You can&#039;t remember because you were NOTHING.

when you die, you will just rest, do nothing- untill further notice (like re-incarnation if that does exist).
Time must have started, so time will one day end.
Plus satan isn&#039;t a person/thing. It&#039;s a &#039;sin&#039;.
If you steal, you are sinning. This is the work of Satan.
Being satanic means you worship YOURSELF. not some horned mythicle creature!
It means your worshipping your SINS, so worshiping the &#039;idea of satan&#039;. 

Goths are never shunned, or teased in society- i guarantee you.
If someone were to bad mouth me, i would beat the shit out of them.
We&#039;re feared, but were gaining more &#039;troops&#039; ;)

Look me up on facebook to talk more:
 Emma Stilz (Skylar Sin)/ facebook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a kindergoth and quite a Mansonite (i love Marilyn Manson), and so far, i&#8217;m not shunned in society.<br />
I have MANY friends, even on facebook i have over 1000.<br />
I don&#8217;t work in comic stores- i don&#8217;t particularly like &#8216;nerds&#8217; and i don&#8217;t participate in sexual jobs like pole dancing.<br />
I work as an online model and i love it!<br />
Christians are all sucking up to a fake lord, i hope you realise that once you die, you will be in limbo.<br />
Before you were born (before the UNIVERSE was created) &#8211; where were you? You can&#8217;t remember because you were NOTHING.</p>
<p>when you die, you will just rest, do nothing- untill further notice (like re-incarnation if that does exist).<br />
Time must have started, so time will one day end.<br />
Plus satan isn&#8217;t a person/thing. It&#8217;s a &#8216;sin&#8217;.<br />
If you steal, you are sinning. This is the work of Satan.<br />
Being satanic means you worship YOURSELF. not some horned mythicle creature!<br />
It means your worshipping your SINS, so worshiping the &#8216;idea of satan&#8217;. </p>
<p>Goths are never shunned, or teased in society- i guarantee you.<br />
If someone were to bad mouth me, i would beat the shit out of them.<br />
We&#8217;re feared, but were gaining more &#8216;troops&#8217; ;)</p>
<p>Look me up on facebook to talk more:<br />
 Emma Stilz (Skylar Sin)/ facebook</p>
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		<title>By: Garrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 00:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is so powerful ! it made me think deep about things ! are there actually people that dumb in the U.S im british , or a Richard would say &quot;british , english &quot; , there is a joke about yanks being stupid ! and this is where it come from ! 
I call apon the younger free thinking youth of the U.S to stand up against people of sites like this and show the world who you really are ! 
For the world is a placed to be united not seperated by narrow minded people ! i remind you that the Nazi where Christians</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is so powerful ! it made me think deep about things ! are there actually people that dumb in the U.S im british , or a Richard would say &#8220;british , english &#8221; , there is a joke about yanks being stupid ! and this is where it come from !<br />
I call apon the younger free thinking youth of the U.S to stand up against people of sites like this and show the world who you really are !<br />
For the world is a placed to be united not seperated by narrow minded people ! i remind you that the Nazi where Christians</p>
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		<title>By: Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 02:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The information here can not be more incorrect... My God... How BLIND can a person who thinks that follows God can be? 
Forgive them My Lord for all the people they hurt... They really do not Know what they do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The information here can not be more incorrect&#8230; My God&#8230; How BLIND can a person who thinks that follows God can be?<br />
Forgive them My Lord for all the people they hurt&#8230; They really do not Know what they do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: what the shit?</title>
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		<dc:creator>what the shit?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is just amazing. You and everything that you write is a complete joke, and not a very tasteful one. my daughter identifies herself as a goth, and she is a very happy, kind, and open minded person. Mind you, she is not a Christian, but i suppose that it&#039;s because she is also intelligent and logical. Shove your crazy shit up your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just amazing. You and everything that you write is a complete joke, and not a very tasteful one. my daughter identifies herself as a goth, and she is a very happy, kind, and open minded person. Mind you, she is not a Christian, but i suppose that it&#8217;s because she is also intelligent and logical. Shove your crazy shit up your ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Hah, you idiots.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hah, you idiots.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 01:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Finnish band called “In Flames” is guilty of spreading the gothic message to impressionable teens. Concerned parents should prevent kids from listening to goth music, also known as “Black Metal”. The most popular black metal bands include: Slipknot, Marralyn Manson, U2, Kiss, The Darkness, Bauhaus, The Sisters of Mercy, Meatloaf and Negativland. If you know of other goth bands, please let me know so I can add them to this list.

You do realize that U2, Meatloaf, and Kiss aren&#039;t goth, right?
I don&#039;t know Negativland, The Darkness, or In Flames.
And no self-respecting goth would listen to &quot;black metal&quot;

Just needed to clear that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Finnish band called “In Flames” is guilty of spreading the gothic message to impressionable teens. Concerned parents should prevent kids from listening to goth music, also known as “Black Metal”. The most popular black metal bands include: Slipknot, Marralyn Manson, U2, Kiss, The Darkness, Bauhaus, The Sisters of Mercy, Meatloaf and Negativland. If you know of other goth bands, please let me know so I can add them to this list.</p>
<p>You do realize that U2, Meatloaf, and Kiss aren&#8217;t goth, right?<br />
I don&#8217;t know Negativland, The Darkness, or In Flames.<br />
And no self-respecting goth would listen to &#8220;black metal&#8221;</p>
<p>Just needed to clear that up.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian "irony" Beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian "irony" Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was gonna troll here, but it&#039;s already filled with morons who ACTUALLY think this way.
Black metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmzFVDjVnM
U2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSdTa9kaiQ&amp;feature=artistob&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=TLF_lDi9D89-M
It might be noted that U2 sucks
ACTUAL GOTH MUSIC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2nLEhUcZ0
it may also be noted that although this song may not be &quot;goth&quot; per se, the Cure is considered Goth, according to wikipedia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was gonna troll here, but it&#8217;s already filled with morons who ACTUALLY think this way.<br />
Black metal: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmzFVDjVnM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmzFVDjVnM</a><br />
U2: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSdTa9kaiQ&#038;feature=artistob&#038;playnext=1&#038;list=TLF_lDi9D89-M" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSdTa9kaiQ&#038;feature=artistob&#038;playnext=1&#038;list=TLF_lDi9D89-M</a><br />
It might be noted that U2 sucks<br />
ACTUAL GOTH MUSIC: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2nLEhUcZ0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2nLEhUcZ0</a><br />
it may also be noted that although this song may not be &#8220;goth&#8221; per se, the Cure is considered Goth, according to wikipedia</p>
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		<title>By: Guilmon Trainer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guilmon Trainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap that&#039;s funny!</description>
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		<title>By: Tristan Shuddery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Shuddery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS</p>
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		<title>By: UGH YOU FAIL</title>
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		<dc:creator>UGH YOU FAIL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 04:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHAHA FUCK YOU MORONS ARE SO FUKKIN STUPID! SHIT I THOUGHT I&#039;D SEEN SOME SHITHEADS IN MY TIM BUT THIS TAKS THE CAKE!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHAHA FUCK YOU MORONS ARE SO FUKKIN STUPID! SHIT I THOUGHT I&#8217;D SEEN SOME SHITHEADS IN MY TIM BUT THIS TAKS THE CAKE!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 15:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself am a goth, and have read this and find myself full of confusion.

Why do you hate that which you are not, simply because we look different? Additionally, why must you go out of your ways to be that which you forsake?

Your religion which I do not follow, preaches fear and the hiding of the inner self, which produces only evil, and corrupt ways. It is a hierarchy, of which there is no logical order besides a military possesses. I do not know if there is a higher power or not, but I do not agree in your beliefs.

You my angry friend, have become evil in yourself and corrupt, and forsake the very ideas for which you preach. The bands that are shown are not gothic at all, and the cartoon was about a much different topic. The movie had the main character fighting for the true meaning of Christmas, not the evil side the society had created. It is instead a straight shot at the members of society who corrupt an originally good idea, which would be you.

I myself dress in a Victorian era fasion, and do not wear makeup besides to outline features during various events such as funerals, for which I white my face mildly as a sign of respect to those who have passed. I see no evils by my way of dressing.
I also do enjoy the night. I love it for its beauty, where society full of people like you lies dormant. I can enjoy my time with my friends and family, and live how I enjoy, which does not even contain any &#039;evil&#039; ways, labeled only by yourself.

The true gothic subculture carries various ideas, all of them which you have placed yourself as the idea scapegoat, and for this I am sorry. We believe in expressing ones self through not limiting ourselves, unlike the Christian ways of self destruction. We create works of art, and evolve our own ways of living and thinking without seeking to destroy that of others, while the Christians seek to destroy. Every major conflict in modern recorded history has religious reasons and the dominant military power at that time happened to be Christian and happened to want to harm everyone and kill others. Thou shalt do unst to others as thou want others to do unst to you. Please learn to follow the core belief of your own system.

The angry groups within the gothic subculture exist everywhere my angry friend, and you are an example out of christians. Some seek to express their destructive, immature, and angry unpeaceful ways in the way some angry &#039;gothic&#039; teens seek to, some just turn into you, and lead raids of misinformation.

The making of blood wine is not at all illegal and is part of freedom of expression you are deeming yourself to be exercising. These boards are not illegal and are harmful to naught. The blood would be disposed of otherwise and is now instead sold to better the life of a butcher. You only seek destruction and after Bush&#039;s passing, it is not illegal you failed zealot is it now?

Nothing you described is gothic, the &#039;goth&#039; teens who paint their faces and practice the popular path beliefs are usually what is categorized as &#039;scene&#039; and they enjoy making one. I am glad that you are completely off the mark and full of disrespect towards mankind. What have you accomplished and are you sorry for yourself? How are you better than me since you have your holier than thou standpoint on your steeple?

As for homosexuality, it is not wrong. Christianity seeks to breed and spread its virulant ways, like a virus you describe but far worse and murderous indeed. You seek to turn a goth into a prison culture member because of their looks or what they choose to eat. Not intelligent, those will murder you for your money, I will instead converse with you and try to reach a logical end. Homosexuality does indeed produce a &#039;useless&#039; relationship in the childbirth sense, but unfortunately the perfect personality may come in that of a similar gender for which makes you a life and sexual partner, and some hold restrictions for example I do not find the members of males attractive, my gender lying undefined. Sometimes what they seek is not a trait of the other sex, such as a female not seeking aggression, and seeking a hopeless romantic. Let those who are not seeking to bother you lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself am a goth, and have read this and find myself full of confusion.</p>
<p>Why do you hate that which you are not, simply because we look different? Additionally, why must you go out of your ways to be that which you forsake?</p>
<p>Your religion which I do not follow, preaches fear and the hiding of the inner self, which produces only evil, and corrupt ways. It is a hierarchy, of which there is no logical order besides a military possesses. I do not know if there is a higher power or not, but I do not agree in your beliefs.</p>
<p>You my angry friend, have become evil in yourself and corrupt, and forsake the very ideas for which you preach. The bands that are shown are not gothic at all, and the cartoon was about a much different topic. The movie had the main character fighting for the true meaning of Christmas, not the evil side the society had created. It is instead a straight shot at the members of society who corrupt an originally good idea, which would be you.</p>
<p>I myself dress in a Victorian era fasion, and do not wear makeup besides to outline features during various events such as funerals, for which I white my face mildly as a sign of respect to those who have passed. I see no evils by my way of dressing.<br />
I also do enjoy the night. I love it for its beauty, where society full of people like you lies dormant. I can enjoy my time with my friends and family, and live how I enjoy, which does not even contain any &#8216;evil&#8217; ways, labeled only by yourself.</p>
<p>The true gothic subculture carries various ideas, all of them which you have placed yourself as the idea scapegoat, and for this I am sorry. We believe in expressing ones self through not limiting ourselves, unlike the Christian ways of self destruction. We create works of art, and evolve our own ways of living and thinking without seeking to destroy that of others, while the Christians seek to destroy. Every major conflict in modern recorded history has religious reasons and the dominant military power at that time happened to be Christian and happened to want to harm everyone and kill others. Thou shalt do unst to others as thou want others to do unst to you. Please learn to follow the core belief of your own system.</p>
<p>The angry groups within the gothic subculture exist everywhere my angry friend, and you are an example out of christians. Some seek to express their destructive, immature, and angry unpeaceful ways in the way some angry &#8216;gothic&#8217; teens seek to, some just turn into you, and lead raids of misinformation.</p>
<p>The making of blood wine is not at all illegal and is part of freedom of expression you are deeming yourself to be exercising. These boards are not illegal and are harmful to naught. The blood would be disposed of otherwise and is now instead sold to better the life of a butcher. You only seek destruction and after Bush&#8217;s passing, it is not illegal you failed zealot is it now?</p>
<p>Nothing you described is gothic, the &#8216;goth&#8217; teens who paint their faces and practice the popular path beliefs are usually what is categorized as &#8216;scene&#8217; and they enjoy making one. I am glad that you are completely off the mark and full of disrespect towards mankind. What have you accomplished and are you sorry for yourself? How are you better than me since you have your holier than thou standpoint on your steeple?</p>
<p>As for homosexuality, it is not wrong. Christianity seeks to breed and spread its virulant ways, like a virus you describe but far worse and murderous indeed. You seek to turn a goth into a prison culture member because of their looks or what they choose to eat. Not intelligent, those will murder you for your money, I will instead converse with you and try to reach a logical end. Homosexuality does indeed produce a &#8216;useless&#8217; relationship in the childbirth sense, but unfortunately the perfect personality may come in that of a similar gender for which makes you a life and sexual partner, and some hold restrictions for example I do not find the members of males attractive, my gender lying undefined. Sometimes what they seek is not a trait of the other sex, such as a female not seeking aggression, and seeking a hopeless romantic. Let those who are not seeking to bother you lie.</p>
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